Another learning opportunity – /ES Trade

by Ryan Barr on March 27, 2009

in Trade Log

A poorly timed entry was very costly today

A poorly timed entry was very costly today

The little things are very important

I’ve been working hard over the past few weeks to get better use of fibs and the $TICK while trading the /ES futures contract.  Part of the system that I’ve been developing is an indicator that shows market strength and divergences as a part of my trade entry pattern.

Well, today was a perfect example of how the system works, and why I am a trading retard sometimes.

The setup

If you’ve ever been over to E-Mini Addict you’ve heard over and over about the ambush trade.  Long and short of it, markets tend to retrace to the 50% level of a move before continuing in a trend.  They generally do not move in a straight line.

I drew a quick fib from the highs of Thursday to the morning lows today and had a trade target entry of 820.5.  This is based on a continuation of the move down and my continued belief that we are oversold and due for a retracement.

Based on the fibs that I had drawn, this trade should get to about 807, and I would have it setup to begin trailing at the 0% line – 811.

Trading while stupid

Maybe that is a bit harsh… maybe not.  After dropping in my orders to get into the trade – entry 820.5, stop 823.5, trailing (+2.5) triggerd at 810, I went back to minding my own business, happily burried in some new projects at work.  I took a quick glance at the trade screen and for some reason (impatiance coupled with stupidity) decided to get into the trade early.  I did not let it setup fully.

A proper setup was to enter at the retracement price level, with confirmation of the continued strength divergence (the indicator on the bottom).  I was keeping an eye on the internals indicator to ensure the market was still exhibiting waning strength. All of these things were happening, the downward channel was holding and the $TICK was confirming an upcoming drop.

Everything said that the trade was setting up perfectly.  All I needed to do was nothing. Just get back to work.  Don’t touch the keyboard, don’t adjust the order, don’t do anything.

Early entry = premature exit

After jumping the gun on the entry for this trade, I pulled down my stop to 817.75.  I was happy that the market was moving down, and wanted to lock in my “free trade.”  With the crazy manipulations that have been happening, I didn’t really want to be exposed all the way to 823.5 (the correct stop) so I figured it was appropriate to lock in a freebie.

My stop, and entry, were both in the middle of the markets wiggle zone, and of course got nailed.  As soon as my horribly low stop got nailed, you can see on the chart that the /ES dropped like a rock, would have quickly triggered my trailing stop and locked in a nice profit.

Let the trade come to you

As you can see on the chart, the trade was a great setup.  I spotted it quickly, had the orders in place and should have left it alone.  Done properly, this would have captured a quick 10.5 points. Instead, I locked in a measly 1.75 points.

Just be patient.  Don’t jump the gun on your trades.  Let them come to you.  I think I’ve mentioned giving away iPods before on goofy trades, well this one was 8.75 points – $437.5, or two iPods per contract.  I really like my music, and I hate giving away iPods.

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  • Looking Good Kzhat.

    Trading the ES is a beast.....I don't do it unless I have an RL.
    Kudos for you in trying it out...!
  • /ES is indeed a beast to trade! I've been playing around with a bunch of things CCI/$TICK, Ambushes etc... and overall feel like I've got a pretty good system working out.

    I posted a question on evil, re: how you trade RL levels. I'd love to hear about it as I am an RL subscriber and haven't yet found a great way to put them into my trading.
  • Try giving away Macbooks, now that really sucks!

    Hey man, I have done the exact same thing many times before in trading and it definitely sucks. Even TK has been a victim to early stops geting triggered. However, think about a few things:

    1. You didn't lose any money (in fact you made a profit)
    2. You implemented a good trading strategy
    3. You didn't know that you could have made almost 9 points before you entered the trade

    I used to constantly beat myself up over thinking about how much money I COULD have made on a trade, but there's no point in doing that. Trading is a zero sum game and the fact is, you have no idea whether the market will go up or down, but have edges that will give you better odds in a particular direction.

    The important thing here is that you have developed a good trading strategy and have perhaps learned a lesson. Remember that you never know what will happen, but you have a good feeling about what could occur. So just be patient, wait for a setup trade to occur, then implement it with all of your rules.

    Take care and GL!

    - Oh, and I have twitter, it's "inthepinktrades." "Inthepinktrading" was too long apparently, haha
  • Oh, it was more than a few iPods :)

    I'm not really upset about it, I'm just frustrated that I've been my own worst enemy for the past couple of days. In fact, looking back on the entire trade I am VERY pleased with the setup. My analysis was SPOT ON, I I had whole thing setup perfectly, entry target, stops, protective exit - all of it.

    I'm a very patient options trader, and I've had very sizable gains trading options. This whole futures business is new to me and I think the "Active Trader" pink and green flashing numbers mess with my mind. I've been closing that down as soon as the trade is in and my trading has been much better.

    Watching the ticks and dollars move around isn't productive for me. If the setup is clean, get a clean entry, set your stops and go away. It's just actually doing it. Kind of like working out... I know I should... It's just doing it :)
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